I've heard rumors that you can be frozen for too much np

[hi23]

is this true? sorry, i'm kind of a newbie...

[atomicblonde]

It's not true. Chances are that accounts that were frozen for making too much np obtained it by illegal means, and were therefore frozen for cheating.

[Chipper]

I agree look at adam and how many neopoints he has you have to match it to get an avatar. Now that is alot of neopoints. Un less you get some friends togehter chip in the neopoints and get the avatar then you all get your neopoint back. worked for me.

[mattjcasey]

I got the Adam avvy on my own without friends chipping in... 10 mil NP is not THAT much NP these days...

[Shadow of Life]

Back in the old days, waaaay back if you had 5million NP in the bank you'd get frozen, not these days though.

[ripcenturion]

-removed- ya its possible tnt will freeze you for anythin these days infact a while ago they created a rule that basicly said "if someone got a item you wanted before you you could report them and get them iced" tnt loves to make contradicting rules like that

MindyEdit: As this is a family forum, please do not swear.

[Kess]

Well, I hate to reinforce someone's fears but remember Alombar42?

I believe he was the richest player on the site. He was frozen hmm... late last year? ...for not abiding by the spirit of neopets. He had by his own estimate 11 billion in NP, SDB and shop stock, although it may have been closer to 13 billion.

When you have over 10 billion NP in items and NP, then you should start worrying.

[everconfused]

I think alombar's back. As far as being frozen for "not abiding by the spirit of Neopets", I guess being uber rich/very well known isn't always a good thing? Of course, the idea of 30 billion np is mind staggering. Any more, it seems like amassing alot of np/rare and ub items IS the name of the game. (Not that I'll ever have to worry about that )

ripcenturion, I have never heard of a rule like that. I do know that people can and have been frozen for buying or being given an item obtained from a scammed account or from someone who cheated (ab'er/any kind of program). That, IMHO, is not always fair. Unless you're sitting next to the person you bought/received an item from, or they come out and tell you they broke the rules, how would you know?

Common sense notwithstanding of course. Like if you saw a weapon or pb worth hundreds of thousands or millions in a shop for 1 np - you don't touch anything like that.

As far as being frozen for "too much np", I think the only times you'd have to worry is if you tried to move np from a side account to your main (which is a no-no) or being very new, making alot, and I mean alot, of np in a very short time. That could raise a red flag.

[Morningstar]

Well, I hate to reinforce someone's fears but remember Alombar42?

I believe he was the richest player on the site. He was frozen hmm... late last year? ...for not abiding by the spirit of neopets. He had by his own estimate 11 billion in NP, SDB and shop stock, although it may have been closer to 13 billion.

When you have over 10 billion NP in items and NP, then you should start worrying.

I was the one to point out (on PPT, anyway) this freezing last year. And at the time, I thought it was totally unjust. Then I learned that alombar that several accounts. And, I know from personal experience, that all of his shops that sold the same items--mainly easy to sells like neggs and map pieces. And, all at the same price. Which could cause the price of certain items--like neggs and map pieces--to be subject to price fixing. Meaning, that if 5 out of 8 shops are selling a negg for 2800 nps, you don't have a chance in hell at selling it for anything higher than that. Price fixing, just like in the real world. It may not have been intentional, but it still occurred. I was one of those people trying to sell neggs and lab map pieces at the time. And, it was frustrating.

I realize that there is nothing in black and white in the rules about it, and I feel sorry for alombar because of that. But, the rules do give a vague warning about using "your other accounts to attempt to gain an unfair advantage over other users." Which price fixing could be interpreted as being.

So, I don't think it was the amount of nps amassed, but the way in which they were amassed that caused the freezings.

Still and all, I do believe that Neo should write something about this type of thing in the rules--so it is clear to everyone. Because, I don't believe that anyone with as many nps as alombar would do anything against the rules to jeopardize their account.

[Kess]

But... surfing the neopian economy is what probably over half the users on neopets do to make NP. Most just ride the tides of avatar items and restocking ETS and UB stuff but Alombar was rich enough to manipulate the neopets economy.

I don't know who 'broke the news' of him being frozen here, I saw his post on another site about it. At the time I thought it was justified, after all it's TNT's game. In retrospect, it seems a little heavy-handed though. He excelled at making NP and put a lot of time into working his shops and restocking/wizstocking. To paraphrase comic books: he was the best there was at what he did.

Also, if I saw an unbuyable PB or item in a shop for 1NP, I would trip all over myself to go buy that sucker. Then I'd check their shop to see what other outrageous buys they had and I'd buy them too. Probably clean em out.

[Zenial]

Still and all, I do believe that Neo should write something about this type of thing in the rules--so it is clear to everyone. Because, I don't believe that anyone with as many nps as alombar would do anything against the rules to jeopardize their account.

Isn't it clearly stated in the rules that you cannot earn np's on more than one account? Having shops on several accounts violates this rule

[shoyru_king123]

It says that it's ok to have shops on your other accounts as long as all the items come from one account only. As long as you're not earning nps out of thin air it's fine. And I doubt that you can get frozen for being too rich. I think there's a system that's similar to the one used to catch flash game cheaters that freezes people for making an impossible high amount of nps for a short amount of time. So if you make like 100 mil in 1 min then that would certainly raise a red flag.

[alombar42]

Well, I hate to reinforce someone's fears but remember Alombar42?

I believe he was the richest player on the site. He was frozen hmm... late last year? ...for not abiding by the spirit of neopets. He had by his own estimate 11 billion in NP, SDB and shop stock, although it may have been closer to 13 billion.

When you have over 10 billion NP in items and NP, then you should start worrying.

I was the one to point out (on PPT, anyway) this freezing last year. And at the time, I thought it was totally unjust. Then I learned that alombar that several accounts. And, I know from personal experience, that all of his shops that sold the same items--mainly easy to sells like neggs and map pieces. And, all at the same price. Which could cause the price of certain items--like neggs and map pieces--to be subject to price fixing. Meaning, that if 5 out of 8 shops are selling a negg for 2800 nps, you don't have a chance in hell at selling it for anything higher than that. Price fixing, just like in the real world. It may not have been intentional, but it still occurred. I was one of those people trying to sell neggs and lab map pieces at the time. And, it was frustrating.

I realize that there is nothing in black and white in the rules about it, and I feel sorry for alombar because of that. But, the rules do give a vague warning about using "your other accounts to attempt to gain an unfair advantage over other users." Which price fixing could be interpreted as being.

So, I don't think it was the amount of nps amassed, but the way in which they were amassed that caused the freezings.

Still and all, I do believe that Neo should write something about this type of thing in the rules--so it is clear to everyone. Because, I don't believe that anyone with as many nps as alombar would do anything against the rules to jeopardize their account.

Well, google is definitely a great thing - even if I make it here a bit late

So... I had some 600 mils in cash (all accts) and estimated value of all accts was about 5 billions (it is not easy to value precious items).

True: I was playing with 7 accounts, 5 of them with shops, 1 gallery and 1 backup, never used. Two of them were handed to me long ago.
BUT Adam knew very well, since my first million, how I was playing, how I was making nps, all my accts, etc etc. Quite a few mails had been exchanged. If he/they didn't like that, I should be notified - at least.
Note that I was actually playing all those accts, taking care of them (since my only interest in the game was the nps, I was making nps from each shop separately, using my main acct as repository: all accts would make their profit by themselves. In other words, I was playing like 6 different people, thus spending 6 times more time there, which is easy to be proven
No "unfair advantage", IMO (but my or anyone's opinion does not matter: it's their game).

True: I was manipulating the price of certain items, stocking thousands of them (and taking the risk of losing a lot). 20K dubloon coins and another so many scratchies were some of these items.
BUT after some time (after the first 100 mils?), the game becomes boring: same ways, same results, more and more nps - this is how I started collecting (curiosity: "what if" or "can I" I take the price 50% higher?). From time to time I was losing lots from this, but overall I was making much more than my losses.
Note that monopolies etc are not part of the rules. There are no (and should be no) rules for fair play. The rules never enforce methods of playing - this is a programming issue. It is like DOOM stopping you from using, say, five weapons (if you could do that), because "rule is you can't win this way".
If the game itself does not enforce a way of playing (you can't eat 20 food items at once), the rules should not ("do not eat more than 20 food items because you will ruin the food subsystem").

True: The game becomes frustrating for some, if a few like "alombar42" do the same thing (like price control).
BUT everyone made their way playing this very same game, going through all those "alombars" of that time, and with even less restrictive rules. Or was I the one single person that invested monopolies from nowhere?
As for frustration... why don't they freeze everyone selling for more than say 10% of the buying price? Isn't this frustrating enough?? Or maybe disable shops at all? Why private shops, if there are system shops that sell at fair prices?

True: no one at the top would risk their accounts with anything like cheating - and TNT know this very well.
BUT, what they don't know is their own game and the ways to make loads of nps quite fast (if anyone in TNT can make more, using same starting point, I'd love to be taught). You see, they are programmers and support personnel, not players.


Thanks for the comments, but don't be fooled: I was NOT frozen for my playing - I was frozen for my status (and maybe my mouth).

alombar42

[Shadow Assassin]

i got my best and first account frozen for going into the Extream Potato counter Highscore ( i got the Highest score) , i mean whats this world going to if a couple of friends can't bunch up and count together?

[Jacob]

-removed- ya its possible tnt will freeze you for anythin these days infact a while ago they created a rule that basicly said "if someone got a item you wanted before you you could report them and get them iced" tnt loves to make contradicting rules like that

MindyEdit: As this is a family forum, please do not swear.

Okay. That HAS to be a joke, as I'm sure no good and decent worker of the NEopets office would EVER do such a thing. That is a thing of spite and vengence, which NEopets, if they truly are as good and decent as they claim, would never support. In fact, if you wanted to ice someone for that reason, you would probably be iced instead.