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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:57 pm 
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I know people who have spent HUNDREDS of hours building up their accounts, only to have it all taken away. If you're calling all that time meaningless, then I think it's an attack whether you want it to be or not.


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To me, it looks like the people taking part writing to sponsers or whatever are trying to jeapodize a multimillion pound corporation because their online, meaningless account was destroyed. It seems petty.


I beg to differ. If a person spends their valuable free time playing a game, then the time spent isn't meaningless, nor is the account that they create during that time.

Saying our accounts are meaningless is the same as saying all of the books you have read are meaningless, all of the sports you have played are meaningless, whatever you do with your free time is meaningless.


Yes, but I mean meaningless in the face of a corporation like Mcdonalds, or Neopets Inc or whatever. Your account isn't worth trying to jeopodize their million pound contracts. Sorry, I just can't see that as right.



Twinkly, you just don't get it. We, as consumers, pay for big fat corporations like McDonald's and Neopets to stay in business. Where the heck do you think they get their money? They aren't printing it in the basement. They get it from us--everytime we buy one of their products. And because of it, we, as consumers, are very important to the people that own those big corporations. Because without us, they don't eat.

And, why, may I ask isn't my account worth jeopardizing their big fat contracts over? Isn't my time just as valuable as theirs? Isn't my money just as green as theirs? Time for the head honchos at Neopets to see that, without their user base, they are nothing.

And you really ought to check out the web to see all of the bad stuff being said about Neopets right now. It's not just Time Magazine. Ralph Nader is targetting it. The World Health Organization is close to targetting it. Even a major California newspaper--from the very state in which Neopets is located--has written an article against it: http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=15532


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To me, the fact that the sponser's didn't comment suggests that they don't really care. They are realistic enough to know that enough people will still play Neopets despite a few hundred people being unhappy.


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Honestly (and this is my opinion so don't get mad at me) I think it is rather ridiculous. People can do what they want but I feel it isn't a good way to handle things. The sponsers and Neopets have contracts anyways. Even if 200 people e-mail or call them this is a business matter and there is still millions of people who have a more mature view of glitches. I mean its a mistake. Mistakes happen! Its a game, folks... None of its real. Trying to intefer with business matters due to losing literally nothing since it all is fake is crazy in my point of view. But like I said to each his own... but theres no way its going to affect anything except maybe having you all miss a half price day :P... And on this matter I agree with TwinklySpangle (its katie right?) You can disagree and bash me but thats just how I feel...

And "To me, the fact that the sponser's didn't comment suggests that they don't really care. They are realistic enough to know that enough people will still play Neopets despite a few hundred people being unhappy."
I feel the same vibe...


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Oh and about the fact that if we don't buy they don't survive is true BUT don't you understand that 200 people not buying isn't going to affect the site because in the end there will always be more people buying?


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there is still millions of people who have a more mature view of glitches. I mean its a mistake. Mistakes happen! Its a game, folks... None of its real. Trying to intefer with business matters due to losing literally nothing since it all is fake is crazy in my point of view. But like I said to each his own... but theres no way its going to affect anything except maybe having you all miss a half price day :P... And on this matter I agree with TwinklySpangle (its katie right?) You can disagree and bash me but thats just how I feel...


Ah, now we are immature just because we don't agree to go along accepting the glitches and wrongful freezings. how nice.


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Personally, I think the mature way to handle a glitch is this:

TNT: Fix glitch, then explain/appologize about what happened and compensate anyone who lost anything. Possibly fix things so the glitch won't happen again.

User: Understand glitches do happen. Send a bug report. Patiently wait for an explaination and/or compensation. If nothing is forthcoming, then they have every right to get upset, especially if it happens a lot.

Another site I'm on has a weekly maintenance every Tuesday night from 9-11pm. That's when they fix things and add updates. I think a weekly maintenance time would be great for Neopets. A good, solid, regular block of time every week where they can update and maintain the site and the users can expect it to occur.


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:o some players just don't get it. it's really easy for us to live with glitches and unfair freezings. while we rant abt it here, it doesn't really affect us, the adults in real life. maturity has nothing to do with whether we want to take this lying down or not but maturity has certainly got to do with how people react to opposing views. Morningstar may argue long and hard abt this but i believe when she leaves her computer, her real life takes over. nobody is going to fall into depression or like some of you tend to have the impression abt us: a matter of life and death.

of coz, we can all take a laid out view about glitches and unfair freezings. everytime our games are disrupted, we just start over. imagine this: you are stacking a card pyramid in a competitive tournament and every time, say you are about to reach the destination, someone would accidentally knock it over. so, according to you, a mature approach would be not to say anything but do it over and over again until you quit. a immature approach would be to question that person who repeatedly wasted your effort and ensure that next time you are nearly there, that person is not around to disrupt your game.

the question here is not whether we can accept all this glitches/unfair freezing without reaction but whether we want to or not. we do not want to allow this deterioting (certain over the years) situation to disrupt our enjoyment of the game. i know this strike/boycott won't work because like petitions, all these had been done b4 in the past. players are not taking part because some of us have not reached our last straw.

i am a very patient player myself. in fact when i played a certain game over my old computer, the game crashed every so often that i have to save the game every few minutes. however, the crashes become so frequent that even though i loved the game, i had to do something about it. what i did was i bought a new video card and everything is fixed and i can enjoy my game without having to save frequently. i believe a majority of us, including myself are at the earlier phase of the abovementioned scenario...but if down the road, the site becomes even glitchier and unfriendly than now, would you still continue to "save and load or take action to get a new graphic card"?


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i dont see how people think we are being silly for participating... We are just responding in a way to their comments "if you dont like neopets just leave it" so we are doing that for a day.

It wont make a difference, but so does voting in elections, and lots of people do that anyways, sometimes just to make a statement.


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i dont see how people think we are being silly for participating... We are just responding in a way to their comments "if you dont like neopets just leave it" so we are doing that for a day.

It wont make a difference, but so does voting in elections, and lots of people do that anyways, sometimes just to make a statement.


I heartily agree. The fact that Ralph Nader most likely won't win the US Presidential election doesn't stop him from running. He does so to make a statement. Because, just maybe, sooner or later, people will start to hear his message. And, his running keeps his message in the public's eye--whether they agree with it or not.

Same logic applies to our DOA. We may not change Neopets with our first protest or second or third--but, we won't know until we try. And, I must say, it sure feels better than sitting back and waiting for another glitch to take one of my items away. And, who knows maybe one of those reporters who recently wrote about Neopets might be interested in hearing our point of view.


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Actually, I think that there are more than 200 people participating in the DoA. One member said that he had over 1000 people who were going to do it.


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not that it's a bad idea but neo will hardly notice. now if you organized it so a million or so users sent the same message to them at exactly the same time, then that might make a dent in their heads. personally, the best part if this is the "We will FREEZE you" song


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I can't see much more than a couple of hundred people activly taking part in this thing (As in writing emails and the whole shebang like). But what ever lights your candle. I'm not going to call anyone imature or mature about it. Obviously there are some people who are a bit too ott about certain stuff, but thats life.

I personally will not be taking part activly. As in, I'm going to zap my pets today and do some quick stuff. But I'm not playing today mainly because I'm doing something else. But whatever you do, have fun with it and don't be so hard on each other. But just remember that the main** people behind neopets do love it just as much as you.



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twinklyspangle wrote:
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To me, it looks like the people taking part writing to sponsers or whatever are trying to jeapodize a multimillion pound corporation because their online, meaningless account was destroyed. It seems petty.


I beg to differ. If a person spends their valuable free time playing a game, then the time spent isn't meaningless, nor is the account that they create during that time.

Saying our accounts are meaningless is the same as saying all of the books you have read are meaningless, all of the sports you have played are meaningless, whatever you do with your free time is meaningless.


Yes, but I mean meaningless in the face of a corporation like Mcdonalds, or Neopets Inc or whatever. Your account isn't worth trying to jeopodize their million pound contracts. Sorry, I just can't see that as right.


Well, actually, if Neopets is hacking you off, theres a pretty good chance you wont be tempted into buying a t-shirt from 99 dogs, that you'll associate them with the bad experience you had on neopets. This means the companies wont make money and that is a big concern to them.

And these big companies aren't poor, the guy who owns mcdonalds isnt struggling to get by, he just wants to add another million to his bank account. They will be only too glad to take their money elsewhere if they are getting back feedback about their support of neopets. They won't go bankrupt.


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Never underestimate the power of writing a letter. There is a little thing in marketing that goes if one person writes a letter, hundreds more feel the same way. Believe it or not, letters are taken very seriously.

I also believe the deal McDonalds has with Neopets is very important to McDonalds, since Neopets is the largest youth site on the net. What better way to hook em while they are young? If a kid is given the choice between McDonalds and some other fast food place they will pick McDonalds just because of the familiarity due to seeing it all the time on neopets. McDonalds knows this..


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I won't be participating. First because it's just not that important to me, so I can't be bothered. Second, because I agree with what pretty much everyone here has said: it won't make a difference. *shrug*

Furthermore, I think the voting thing is a poor analogy. Voting is a different course of action because many, many more people participate, and people like Nader actually *can* get some publicity.

Also, about the Time Magazine article. It did have an anti-Neopets bent, but it didn't mention glitches or customer service, or any of the DoA complaints, rather it was saying that Neopets immersive advertising was *too* successful and it was morally wrong to influence children in this way. That kind of "negative publicity" is actually good news to neopets' advertisers.

And about the letter writing. While consumer opinions are important to marketers and the companies they work for, keep in mind that the people neopets' ads are targeted at are young children...not exactly the letter-writing type. Since I'm not in their target demographic anyway, why should they care about my opinion?

Just my two cents. I'm not against activism in any way, in fact it's nice to see people willing to take action for any cause. After all, "History is made by those who show up." (Benjamin Disraeli)


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